Update: Hartford Courant: Secret Ballot To Decide Lieberman's Fate - "Joe Lieberman votes with me a lot more than a lot of my senators. He didn't support us on military stuff, and he didn't support us on Iraq stuff. But you look at his record, it's pretty good."
- Sen. Harry Reid

I don’t care for Joe Lieberman as a U.S. Senator.

Lieberman went right along with the obscenity of the Iraq Invasion and the Patriot Act, among other imbecilities.

I don’t care for Joe Lieberman as a public man.

Even among elected officials in Congress, Lieberman stands out as a lying propagandist.

Lieberman used Republican talking points and lies in his failed attempt to prop up John McCain’s candidacy that would have been devastating to a reeling economy and a shredded American Constitution.

And Lieberman veered right up to and past neo-McCarthyism questioning the patriotism of those not sharing his discredited militarism.

But let’s look to history.

Did the Democratic Party attempt to marginalize and punish Senator Henry "Scoop" Jackson in 1977, for example, the dedicated militarist of the 1960s-70s who shared with Lieberman the sanctimonious commitment to state violence?

No.

Because to cast out Jackson would have been to indict a whole generation of Democratic leaders without whose dedicated support and lies the Vietnam Invasion would not have been waged.

If we take seriously the arguments to sanitize by sanctioning Lieberman after the Democratic Party’s electoral victories in 2008, more than Joe Lieberman need to stand and account.

The effort to punish Lieberman smells of scapegoating.

We just had an election. What are we going to do, punish Vice-president Biden, Clinton and Kohl for their historically horrendous votes and sometimes unsavory politics?

Of-course not.

Obama has it right. Let’s look to the future.
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Steve Hanson's picture
There's a big difference


The idea of sanctioning Lieberman is as it stands a Democratic Party matter. The party has always tended to be pretty tolerant of different ideas, but it's a political party, and it's not going to be tolerant of "going to the other side". They tolerated his leaving the party so that he could be re-elected. They tolerated his adopting all of the talking points of the Republican party. But it's a LOT to expect the party to tolerate his active campaigning for a Republican candidate. Sorry, I just don't buy the argument that there's anything at all wrong with the party not wanting to deal with someone who has worked so hard against the party's interests, even if the party's interests are at times not comfortable to a lot of us.

Steve Hanson

Cruiskeen Consulting LLC

Uppity Wisconsin

He said that he


would caucus with the Dems; that's not nothing. I did some research on Lieberman's voting record: Liberal enough to worry the religious right. There is no great love in my heart for this guy. But I do think on balence that picking a fight, or rather engaging a fight is not constructive. It's in the way. Politically, Lieberman is going the way of the dinosaur. Look at the last election. I'm a vindictive guy as much any writer, but this political fight that would dominate the news coming out of Washington is not the fight we want now. Let's get out of Iraq, jobs, jobs, jobs, healthcare, alternative energy, the enviornemnt, womens' rights, a new DOJ, and so on. We're giving the little prick too much concern here. The Dem caucus has always had people on just about every level of legislatures who we could not stand. That's the norm. I don't care if Lieberman starts saying J.B. Van Hollen is a great jurist who should be appointed to the U.S. Supreme Court. Not many are taking him seriously now-a-days; let's keep it that way and not make him bigger than he is.

Kiss and make up?


Our friend Joe didn't just vote for the war, he actively campaigned for someone who was committed to prolonging and "winning" it. And for all your talk of unity, Joe the Lieberman is all about Joe Lieberman. For Obama to kiss and make up with McCain, fine. But we aren't inviting McCain into the Democratic caucus because he is not a Democrat. Neither is Lieberman. Like it or not, we still have a two-party system, and loyalty matters.

What's worse?


Betraying a Party [which Lieberman - as you point out - surely did] or a sanctimonious commitment to state violence and lies? I do pooh-pooh the betraying-the-Party argument because in the face of the values (if you will) argument made here, the betraying-the-Party argument fades into the trivial. War, as we know, is a horror. Betraying the Constitution is tragic. Neo-McCarthism is contemptible. Yet these tragedies, with Democratic advocacy or with acquiescence, define Bush foreign policy and his assault on the Constitution. So, in the face of this, does betraying a Party sometimes as Lieberman has done bother me much, especially in the face of a new administration that looks to unify and move forward? No.

Not quite parallel


I don't recall Scoop Jackson flying around the country to campaign with Gerald Ford and trash Jimmy Carter.

Lieberman, who I regret having voted for in 2000, is a turncoat. It's not about his votes, it's about his betrayal of the Democratic Party. He's not a Democrat; he was elected as an independent. There should be a price to pay for that behavior and his decision to leave the party.

Throw the bum out. 

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